Well Linda Burnie before the First Fleet arrived Aboriginal women didn't wear Gauchi which your quite happy to show yourself off in and I noticed all your smart arse friends in the video were all wearing white peoples clothing. I bet they all love to drink booze and smoke tobacco amongst other things. None of that before the white man arrived.
Those on the left don't seem to be able to do any deep thinking about anything and need radical leaders to tell them what they should believe. Some of those pushing the YEs campaign are even white skinned. Where does that leave them if all us whites packed up and left them to their own devices of living in bark huts and no social security.? This Referendum has caused deep division once again, that we hoped was gone. Some say that thre is no difference between right and left, but the gulf between the two sides is deep and real, because it is a different way of thinking altogether.
When posting videos or links to articles or whatever - Can you PLEASE provide the original source and actual name of the whole (say) discussion/'interview (whatever) - for example:
Whilst that AV you provided here is fine - it is part of a much more comprehensive matter, and THAT is what people like me will want to see. Furthermore: The DATE of such things is crucial, and should also be supplied. It's not difficult and would help people determine the relevance to a current issue.
For example: Andrew Bolt has MANY AV available, but I simply cannot find the whole discussion. If I had the actual name, and the URL, I could then watch the whole and know the date and it's relevance to other machinations.
I hope I explained that clearly ... I AM trying to HELP.
Meryl - Yes is just an extension of the catastrophic vaxx campaign and the idiotic Net Zero. All of these Leftist policies are not what they seem, and all are/were pushed to impoverish Australians and fill the coffers of the crony capitalists and the elite.
More and more are waking up, but its utterly appalling how supposedly normal Australians would vote Yes to a proposal which has not even been drafted. Would these dummies go and work at a place without any details of their salary or wage package?? Cynically some are so stupid they probably would...
If #Yes gets up, then the Australian people have acknowledged and mandated the fact that A & TSI people were on this land first in the very document drafted by the invading populace.
It will be acknowledged by a Yes vote that every person who came to this land post 1788 either via first fleet or since is part of the invasion of this continent.
Why? Because A & TSI people never ceded ownership of this land or their sovereignty over it.
The Australian parliament is useless, because it is a system of the invading people, and nothing to do with original and sovereign A & TSI people, apart from the section where we will acknowledge they were here first.
Hence the mentioning of treaty, because every single post 1788 citizen without a direct line to A & TSI people will need to enter into treaty for their existing property ownership.
The land was sold illegally to every single non indigenous person by a system which belongs to the invading forces, without consent of the original inhabitants.
Once we acknowledge this was their land prior to 1788 in the very Constitution originally drafted by the invaders, there will be a mandate for all 46 articles of UNDRIP.
Which will Include reparations, treaty, and paying the rent for ALL landholdings.
In my view there are many different factors at play here. One is the slowly increasing realisation over the last few years of more & more people, thanks to the work of some very intelligent & questioning researchers, as to what this government really is & how the system we live under really works. And how at least some of the original sovereigns navigate this system. It is hard to pin down exactly, but it involves the concepts of registration, licenses, statutes & the status of the individual. Perhaps you are aware of all this.
Some have talked about the ability for individuals to "treaty" with local original sovereigns for land, for example. This, if true, would not be something the government would want people to know about.
My feeling on the whole Voice issue, which will be controversial, is one of Yes & No. Yes, because the real original sovereigns need to be listened to about how to manage this country. No, because the government & the corporations (& global bodies like the UN etc), want to also be the ones managing this country through the use of a fake Voice which only appears to represent the true original sovereigns. I suspect they've had to wait at least a couple of generations to bring enough aboriginal people up through the system to a level of prominence in order to influence the majority of the population.
I also have a story from a recent holiday my mum took. She went on a River Murray cruise in SA and one of the stops was to a local Aboriginal Community. They were provided a tour of the community and at the end were encouraged to Vote no to the Voice, as the community had not been consulted, but they also did not want to give up their sovereignty to a broader Body (Voice)
That's really interesting Mark - about the cruise. I don't trust the government one little bit on this vote and I believe they will try to use every underhanded means within their power to turn it to Yes. Then, there will be court cases but you and I both know that when it comes to what the government wants, the courts are more likely to judge based on political expediency rather than the law. We need to stop this here and now - I hope there are more communities like the one your mum met up with who are pushing for No.
I understand what you are saying, but to me at least, equality is what we should all be aiming for. And equality means that everyone has a voice. If we were all heard, there would be so many fewer problems. But the Voice - which we don't even know much about (we'll find out one it's passed...) has not demonstrated any ability to improve the lot of either the original Australians or anyone else for that matter. I think equal right, equal opportunities and equal say is what we should be demanding. and that wouldn't rely on the colour of our skin or our heritage - it will simply depend on our humanity.
It's hard to believe that the YES campaigners are THAT stupid. Doesn't augur well for the future if they win the YES vote. I recall watching Linda Burney consistently answering questions on how the voice was going to be structured, with statements about policy - saying "I will do this" and "I will do that". It was embarrassing. She clearly had no grasp that it is not up to her to make policy but that her role is to help form bodies that will recommend policy independently of her. She had no grasp that she is a mere temporary "representative" of the will of the Australian people.
Every time I hear or see Linda Burney, I think the same thing - is it possible that she is SO stupid and in the position she is in? Yet here we are. Over 20 years ago, I had a conversation with Dr Archie Kalokerinos - he was one of the most amazing Australians and had worked closely with the original community for decades. He told me then that the biggest problem the community had was their corrupt leadership. They had been sold out by the very people who had promised to help them and who were themselves Aboriginal. It seems that more than 2 decades later, nothing much has changed in that regard. There are some very bright stars however like Jacinta Price who give me hope that things can finally start to turn around. 🤞🏻
Yes, Jacinta Price has been a revelation. She is pretty hard core too, but intelligent with it. Hard core and stupid is not a good mix. I tried to find that Bolt clip to post on FB, but couldn't find a link for it anywhere. I think it sums it all up. The Australian population may be silenced on the whole issue, but I think the vote on Saturday will show that they have been paying attention to the behaviour of the Aboriginal advocates of the Yes vote. It's not a good look. Australia is very very short on sophisticated people in politics, so when we get someone like Jacinta Price, we sit up and pay attention.
Take it with a pinch of salt Meryl. They're taking the piss, be grateful its not meant seriously. Andrew Bolt very ratrely exhibits anything apporaching a sense of humour, so I expect this labouring to make a point on his part.
Well, they weren't on Bolt's show - they were actually on another program and I actually think they were serious though I haven't seen the original in full. If anyone has more information, I would love to see it.
All these barbarians who called out gas the Jews MUST BE DEPORTED I HAVE BEEN CONTACTING OUR SPINELESS POLITICIANS TO DO SO IT IS TIME FOR ALL AUSTRALIANS TO DEMAND THAT OUR POLITICIANS PROTECT THE JEWS AND REMIND THEM THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS EVIL
MY FATHER AND GRANDFATHER FOUGHT THE NAZIS AUSTRALIANS HAVE TO STAND UP NOW ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Thank you Evelyn! And I think we all need to follow your lead. At the very least, the Police Minister and the Premiere need to go. My father also fought in WW II and he would be shocked to the core to see what is happening in the world today. Why do we have to fight the same battles over and over again?
Future border patroller: "Proof of Aboriginal ID or you can go now." Ray Martin; " My grandmother 4 times removed was 1 /16th aboriginal mate, honest ." Border Patroller: "Prove it, dickhead, go now."
Linda Burney is accountable to all Australians and we will be demanding receipts for all money spent in her portfolio. When the bureaucrats don’t have a sound argument they result to name calling and childish behaviour. Our parliament is not kinder garden, grow up and take responsibility for the job your paid to do.
I beg to disagree , parliament is an adult creche centre with all those so called smart people acting like little children bickering and name calling......they're not in it for us , its all about themselves. (Apart from a few good ones with a moral compass)
My experience of Parliamentarians is the same as yours. There are a few amazingly clever and moral people in there (Gerard Rennick, Malcolm Roberts, Senator Babet, Senator Antic, Senator Canavan to name a few), but the rest would never survive in the real world where they have to actually work for a living! Lowest common denominator.
We are all original somewhere. And my understanding is that Original Australians don't actualy believe in land ownership but custodianship. We have certainly not been great custodians of this beautiful land, but a Voice to parliament won't do one single thing to fix that problem.
I think you've hit the nail on the head with this point.
Back in the late 70's, early 80's, Jan (Janine) Roberts published a book called From Massacres To Mining (with I believe the approval of the original sovereigns she knew).
In it she brilliantly summed up how the originals viewed the land. And it is totally different to the way the colonisers did & most of us see the land (as something to be divided up into property, & basically exploited).
They are two totally different worldviews & I cannot see how there can be any reconciliation without seismic shifts in the way people live.
The UN/WEF/Governments/Corporate want to move into this area & direct it in a way that suits them. We must be very careful.
As Triccy said in his interview with Michael/Cafe Locked Out, the only way forward is with the original people, but they need the backing of the majority of the normal population.
Well Linda Burnie before the First Fleet arrived Aboriginal women didn't wear Gauchi which your quite happy to show yourself off in and I noticed all your smart arse friends in the video were all wearing white peoples clothing. I bet they all love to drink booze and smoke tobacco amongst other things. None of that before the white man arrived.
Those on the left don't seem to be able to do any deep thinking about anything and need radical leaders to tell them what they should believe. Some of those pushing the YEs campaign are even white skinned. Where does that leave them if all us whites packed up and left them to their own devices of living in bark huts and no social security.? This Referendum has caused deep division once again, that we hoped was gone. Some say that thre is no difference between right and left, but the gulf between the two sides is deep and real, because it is a different way of thinking altogether.
Meryl - A request / Hint:
When posting videos or links to articles or whatever - Can you PLEASE provide the original source and actual name of the whole (say) discussion/'interview (whatever) - for example:
Whilst that AV you provided here is fine - it is part of a much more comprehensive matter, and THAT is what people like me will want to see. Furthermore: The DATE of such things is crucial, and should also be supplied. It's not difficult and would help people determine the relevance to a current issue.
For example: Andrew Bolt has MANY AV available, but I simply cannot find the whole discussion. If I had the actual name, and the URL, I could then watch the whole and know the date and it's relevance to other machinations.
I hope I explained that clearly ... I AM trying to HELP.
Meryl - Yes is just an extension of the catastrophic vaxx campaign and the idiotic Net Zero. All of these Leftist policies are not what they seem, and all are/were pushed to impoverish Australians and fill the coffers of the crony capitalists and the elite.
More and more are waking up, but its utterly appalling how supposedly normal Australians would vote Yes to a proposal which has not even been drafted. Would these dummies go and work at a place without any details of their salary or wage package?? Cynically some are so stupid they probably would...
I don't like to speak I'll of the dead but he most definitely got this one right: Ruth Bader Ginsburg
FORMER SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
“has embarrassed all by making very dumb political statements about me,” “Her mind is shot,” “resign!” “an incompetent judge.
Pocahontas Warren was trumped.👍🇦🇺😀
Trump was the BEST when it came to giving people nicknames. I'm very glad he doesn't know me! LOL
Food for thought and ponderings 🤔
If #Yes gets up, then the Australian people have acknowledged and mandated the fact that A & TSI people were on this land first in the very document drafted by the invading populace.
It will be acknowledged by a Yes vote that every person who came to this land post 1788 either via first fleet or since is part of the invasion of this continent.
Why? Because A & TSI people never ceded ownership of this land or their sovereignty over it.
The Australian parliament is useless, because it is a system of the invading people, and nothing to do with original and sovereign A & TSI people, apart from the section where we will acknowledge they were here first.
Hence the mentioning of treaty, because every single post 1788 citizen without a direct line to A & TSI people will need to enter into treaty for their existing property ownership.
The land was sold illegally to every single non indigenous person by a system which belongs to the invading forces, without consent of the original inhabitants.
Once we acknowledge this was their land prior to 1788 in the very Constitution originally drafted by the invaders, there will be a mandate for all 46 articles of UNDRIP.
Which will Include reparations, treaty, and paying the rent for ALL landholdings.
https://x.com/MarkNeugebaue13/status/1710965205113639368?s=20
In my view there are many different factors at play here. One is the slowly increasing realisation over the last few years of more & more people, thanks to the work of some very intelligent & questioning researchers, as to what this government really is & how the system we live under really works. And how at least some of the original sovereigns navigate this system. It is hard to pin down exactly, but it involves the concepts of registration, licenses, statutes & the status of the individual. Perhaps you are aware of all this.
Some have talked about the ability for individuals to "treaty" with local original sovereigns for land, for example. This, if true, would not be something the government would want people to know about.
My feeling on the whole Voice issue, which will be controversial, is one of Yes & No. Yes, because the real original sovereigns need to be listened to about how to manage this country. No, because the government & the corporations (& global bodies like the UN etc), want to also be the ones managing this country through the use of a fake Voice which only appears to represent the true original sovereigns. I suspect they've had to wait at least a couple of generations to bring enough aboriginal people up through the system to a level of prominence in order to influence the majority of the population.
Yes, the UN plays a big part and many commentators talk into this as well.
I covered UNDRIP in an 8 minute video here - https://rumble.com/v3n5gl9-lets-unpack-un-drip-mr-albanese.html
I unpack it further in a longer one including some key UNDRIP articles here - https://rumble.com/v3hlejc-australias-constitutional-referendum-2023-part-2.html
I also have a story from a recent holiday my mum took. She went on a River Murray cruise in SA and one of the stops was to a local Aboriginal Community. They were provided a tour of the community and at the end were encouraged to Vote no to the Voice, as the community had not been consulted, but they also did not want to give up their sovereignty to a broader Body (Voice)
That's really interesting Mark - about the cruise. I don't trust the government one little bit on this vote and I believe they will try to use every underhanded means within their power to turn it to Yes. Then, there will be court cases but you and I both know that when it comes to what the government wants, the courts are more likely to judge based on political expediency rather than the law. We need to stop this here and now - I hope there are more communities like the one your mum met up with who are pushing for No.
Oh, yes, there will be many happy to line up to litigate those upcoming land title, reparations and paying the rent claims. - https://lawcouncil.au/media/media-releases/australia-must-formally-adopt-un-declaration-on-rights-of-indigenous-people
I understand what you are saying, but to me at least, equality is what we should all be aiming for. And equality means that everyone has a voice. If we were all heard, there would be so many fewer problems. But the Voice - which we don't even know much about (we'll find out one it's passed...) has not demonstrated any ability to improve the lot of either the original Australians or anyone else for that matter. I think equal right, equal opportunities and equal say is what we should be demanding. and that wouldn't rely on the colour of our skin or our heritage - it will simply depend on our humanity.
It's hard to believe that the YES campaigners are THAT stupid. Doesn't augur well for the future if they win the YES vote. I recall watching Linda Burney consistently answering questions on how the voice was going to be structured, with statements about policy - saying "I will do this" and "I will do that". It was embarrassing. She clearly had no grasp that it is not up to her to make policy but that her role is to help form bodies that will recommend policy independently of her. She had no grasp that she is a mere temporary "representative" of the will of the Australian people.
Every time I hear or see Linda Burney, I think the same thing - is it possible that she is SO stupid and in the position she is in? Yet here we are. Over 20 years ago, I had a conversation with Dr Archie Kalokerinos - he was one of the most amazing Australians and had worked closely with the original community for decades. He told me then that the biggest problem the community had was their corrupt leadership. They had been sold out by the very people who had promised to help them and who were themselves Aboriginal. It seems that more than 2 decades later, nothing much has changed in that regard. There are some very bright stars however like Jacinta Price who give me hope that things can finally start to turn around. 🤞🏻
Yes, Jacinta Price has been a revelation. She is pretty hard core too, but intelligent with it. Hard core and stupid is not a good mix. I tried to find that Bolt clip to post on FB, but couldn't find a link for it anywhere. I think it sums it all up. The Australian population may be silenced on the whole issue, but I think the vote on Saturday will show that they have been paying attention to the behaviour of the Aboriginal advocates of the Yes vote. It's not a good look. Australia is very very short on sophisticated people in politics, so when we get someone like Jacinta Price, we sit up and pay attention.
Take it with a pinch of salt Meryl. They're taking the piss, be grateful its not meant seriously. Andrew Bolt very ratrely exhibits anything apporaching a sense of humour, so I expect this labouring to make a point on his part.
Well, they weren't on Bolt's show - they were actually on another program and I actually think they were serious though I haven't seen the original in full. If anyone has more information, I would love to see it.
All these barbarians who called out gas the Jews MUST BE DEPORTED I HAVE BEEN CONTACTING OUR SPINELESS POLITICIANS TO DO SO IT IS TIME FOR ALL AUSTRALIANS TO DEMAND THAT OUR POLITICIANS PROTECT THE JEWS AND REMIND THEM THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS EVIL
MY FATHER AND GRANDFATHER FOUGHT THE NAZIS AUSTRALIANS HAVE TO STAND UP NOW ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Thank you Evelyn! And I think we all need to follow your lead. At the very least, the Police Minister and the Premiere need to go. My father also fought in WW II and he would be shocked to the core to see what is happening in the world today. Why do we have to fight the same battles over and over again?
Future border patroller: "Proof of Aboriginal ID or you can go now." Ray Martin; " My grandmother 4 times removed was 1 /16th aboriginal mate, honest ." Border Patroller: "Prove it, dickhead, go now."
It reminds me of Elizabeth Warren claiming she was A Native American when she was like 1/1.200th Native. It is cynical and comical at the same time.
Linda Burney is accountable to all Australians and we will be demanding receipts for all money spent in her portfolio. When the bureaucrats don’t have a sound argument they result to name calling and childish behaviour. Our parliament is not kinder garden, grow up and take responsibility for the job your paid to do.
Hear hear!
I beg to disagree , parliament is an adult creche centre with all those so called smart people acting like little children bickering and name calling......they're not in it for us , its all about themselves. (Apart from a few good ones with a moral compass)
My experience of Parliamentarians is the same as yours. There are a few amazingly clever and moral people in there (Gerard Rennick, Malcolm Roberts, Senator Babet, Senator Antic, Senator Canavan to name a few), but the rest would never survive in the real world where they have to actually work for a living! Lowest common denominator.
As Klaus would say "We have penetrated the cabinets"
😲 I don’t know what to say to that... do ‘we’ also take everything the colonists built?
My family weren’t part of the original colonists so what do I do? Am I being told to go as well because I am not Aboriginal?
We are all original somewhere. And my understanding is that Original Australians don't actualy believe in land ownership but custodianship. We have certainly not been great custodians of this beautiful land, but a Voice to parliament won't do one single thing to fix that problem.
I think you've hit the nail on the head with this point.
Back in the late 70's, early 80's, Jan (Janine) Roberts published a book called From Massacres To Mining (with I believe the approval of the original sovereigns she knew).
In it she brilliantly summed up how the originals viewed the land. And it is totally different to the way the colonisers did & most of us see the land (as something to be divided up into property, & basically exploited).
They are two totally different worldviews & I cannot see how there can be any reconciliation without seismic shifts in the way people live.
The UN/WEF/Governments/Corporate want to move into this area & direct it in a way that suits them. We must be very careful.
As Triccy said in his interview with Michael/Cafe Locked Out, the only way forward is with the original people, but they need the backing of the majority of the normal population.